♪♪ -Many campaign promises were made.

Will they be kept, and what will that look like under a Governor Sherrill administration?

Hi, everyone.

I'm Joanna Gagis, and this is "Reporters Roundtable."

We'll talk about all of that in just a minute, but first, let's meet our panel of journalists.

First up, we have Hannah Gross, education reporter for NJ Spotlight News, Matt Friedman, reporter with Politico New Jersey, Brent Johnson, politics reporter for NJ Advanced Media, and NJ.com.

Welcome to all of you.

So, since her massive win in New Jersey, Governor-elect Mikie Sherrill's been out there sharing more details about what her early priorities will be when she takes office in January.

She sat down yesterday for a lengthy interview with our own NJ Spotlight News anchor, Brianna Vannozzi.

Let's get right into it.

Brent, I know you also sat down with the governor-elect.

What did you hear from her in terms of her early priorities?

Anything new to report there that we didn't already hear on the campaign trail?

No, I know one thing that people are going to immediately look to, because she said on day one she's going to declare a state of emergency and freeze utility energy rates, and that's the big campaign promise.

You know, she talked broadly about affordability, but her big hook of her campaign was I'm going to freeze your utility bills.

So that's one thing people are going to look to do to see, one, if that happens, because there's a lot of pushback, including from former governor - and her soon-to-be former governor, Phil Murphy, saying that he doesn't know if that's possible.

I'm sure there might be some legal challenges.

So that'll be something to watch right away.

And knowing broadly she said she's going to focus on affordability.

You know so there's going to be questions on that.

School funding is going to be a big issue.

I know that's something that Craig Coughlin the state assembly speaker wants to bring up in lame duck.

So there's a number of things to look out for and to see how she acts the beginning of her tenure.

I think it's interesting to note Governor Murphy walked back his comments a bit when he had that first meeting with Governor-elect Sherrill.

He said, you know, I regret saying that there might be some things she can do.

We need a more thoughtful approach.

How complicated, Brent, do you think it's going to be for her to get in and do the things that she said when it comes to an energy freeze and pushing utilities, really?

They say they're not the ones to blame here.

Well, one thing is that a new governor will have a lot of capital, especially in a state where now Democrats have strengthened their hold on both the governor's office and the state legislature, at least the state assembly.

So she's going to have a, she can throw her weight around a little bit at the beginning, but I do expect there to be some sort of legal pushback.

I don't know how strong it's going to be, but you know, that, that is really going to be what people pay attention to first, because it's a major promise and it'll be something she said she's going to do right away.

Hannah, Brent brought up school consent, while he brought up the school funding formula.

We're going to get into that in just a little bit, but I want to ask you about Sherrill's promise for school consolidation.

She says, we really need to look at these districts where there are K to eight schools or sometimes less, sometimes just elementary or lower elementary grades, and that the administrative costs there are creating bloat.

Are there enough of those schools?

How many of those schools are there right now in the state?

Does that actually create some type of meaningful savings if she moves forward with that plan?

-So, there are about 700 school districts in the state.

If you include traditional school districts, non-operating school districts, charters and Renaissance schools, in only 260 of those schools can a student go from either pre-k or kindergarten all the way through 12th grade.

So in the majority of school districts, they're not serving a student throughout their academic life.

And so that can lead to some administrative bloat where a district that maybe if it was K through 12 would have one superintendent, if it's broken up into two or even three districts, that's a lot more administrative staff than you would have otherwise.

You know, I know that NJ.com will give another shout out to Brent and his team.

But I saw a story this morning that there are superintendents making upwards of $300,000 in the state.

This was a big issue when Governor Christie took office and he put the $300,000 in the state.

>> I know you talked about the $300,000.

over year.

Do you think that Sherrill administration would be likely to take on that type of issue or keep the cap, reduce the cap?

Where do you see this going?

Has she indicated anything like that, Hannah?

-She has not talked too much about that.

Some of the highest-paid school superintendents are from the biggest districts, like Newark and Jersey City, but you also have some really highly-paid charter school superintendents who are paid a lot more per pupil than this larger public school superintendents.

So there are some bills moving through that could be passed during lame duck that would put some more restrictions on charter schools, so that would be something to watch for.

Yeah, we're going to get into the school funding formula and what that means later on.

Matt, interestingly, she has finally said, I know she was left in the gray area originally, but she has said she will not keep New Jersey Attorney General Matt Platkin in position.

What type of attorney general do you expect her to pick?

He has been very aggressive.

He's had countless lawsuits against the Trump administration, took on the New Jersey State Police.

Do you expect her to take on someone as aggressive?

It's funny because I just, I think it was on NJ Spotlight News, read interview remarks from her where she said she wants an attorney general who will take on Trump.

And I'm like, Matt Platkin must be looking around like, "Whoa, how many lawsuits?

I lost count of lawsuits.

I know there are dozens and dozens of them."

I think she'll take on one who will take on Trump, but who will be less likely to take on people like George Norcross and some of the other powerful people Platkin has set himself against, with mixed results at best, honestly.

But yeah, I think it's going to be-we've heard a lot of names circulating.

I won't bother listing them all right now.

I guess we'll probably know sometime not long after Thanksgiving who the next one will be.

But yeah, no, I very much doubt it's going to be someone as aggressive as Plattken and maybe not someone as at least seen as as politically ambitious.

So that was my next question is, do you read the tea leaves here that perhaps he's got some political ambition in terms of the way he's been willing to take on, like you said, members of his own party, and of course, fighting, you know, Republicans across the aisle?

Do you think that there's some conflict there and that maybe his political ambition is something she doesn't want to see in her administration?

Well, well, then good luck finding anyone.

But I think, you know, with him, it's been a knock on him, but also it's like, yeah, we've had prosecutors before who have been politically ambitious.

That's not unusual.

Also, despite that, he's not running in the 11th district, where he lives for Congress, even though there's an open seat there.

So maybe he has his eyes on something else.

I do think it's that one of the knocks on him is that his prosecution of George Norcross was political.

And I don't know, the judges have rolled against him, but it's also like, if you look at the conduct of Norcross and his allies there, there's a question of where it is on the law, but there's also the question of where it is ethically.

And I think we're getting some answers on the law, which by the way, when you're in a position in which you have a lot of influence in writing the laws, it's harder to break them.

But secondly, I don't think anyone can look at the conduct and say, this is the way we would like government to operate as if people were getting a fair shake there.

So there's been a lot of knocks on him for that, but I don't think if you look at it, it's like there's complete, utter ethical innocence going on here that the EU won't hear in general.

Yeah.

And we're not legal scholars here, but RICO cases are hard.

They can be hard to prosecute and they can be hard to get a win.

Just switching gears a bit, during our special half hour with the governor yesterday, Breonna Vanozzi pushed her on the immigrant trust directive and whether she would sign it if it were codified into law as the immigrant trust act.

She said no.

Here's a look at what she had to say about it.

I'm very concerned about trying to put that through the courts.

We know a Republican judge has already approved the Immigrant Trust Directive.

It set a law that has better standing right now and the idea of opening this up in courts right now, when I don't think, you know, the courts seem to be very suggestible to the Trump administration's suggestions, I don't think that's a good idea.

The Immigrant Trust Directive, as written, I've been supportive of.

I just want to make sure on the ground it's functioning and we're still understanding how it's being implemented across the state.

And we have had several meetings.

We'll continue to have those to make sure it's functioning as I want it to function.

And as I've said, what's important to me is people can go to church, they can go to school, they can go to health care, they can go report crimes.

So, Brent, coming to you, she said she wants people to be able to do all of those things safely.

That was her final thought there.

This is something that the Latino community pushed hard for during her campaign.

I have spoken to some leaders who say, look, she has to come in and look at this and decide what is best.

But do you think that this is an area where people who voted for her are going to be unhappy that this doesn't turn into an act, a piece of legislation that's law in New Jersey?

This is something I know that even top members of the legislature aren't keen on passing because they're afraid of the legal ramifications.

So she won't be the only person against it in Trenton's leadership.

But yeah, I mean, there are a lot of progressives who may not have supported her in the primary who came out and supported her in the general election who may now be upset that she doesn't take moves like this, especially after there was such a Democratic victory, meaning that we have five more seats in the state legislature now for Democrats and the state assembly for Democrats and that, you know, you also have a big win.

She won by a decisive margin.

So I'm sure there's going to be people who are disappointed and still pushing for this.

But I don't know how much pushback she's going to get in the legislature.

Yeah.

Like you said, this never moved under the Murphy administration.

It seems they did kind of find that sweet spot where it was supported by the law.

She said this is case law now.

Hannah, switching back to schools, obviously, we have spoken to Governor-elect, we talked to her many times on the campaign trail.

I have asked her how she would revise the school funding formula.

It's something that the legislature hasn't quite figured out.

There are task forces .

There haven't been too many details about Sherrill wants to see in terms of changes to the school funding formula.

She's talked about modernizing and stabilizing the formula.

The most concrete thing is more state support for special education costs which have been rising astronomically in recent years and are eating into other parts of districts budgets.

When we were during the campaign we heard Chitarelli talk a lot about how he wanted to roll special education entirely under state funding and he wanted to do that by changing the formula so there was no more aid for at-risk students and then set this one price for folks who are English language learners versus English language speakers.

Have you heard anything from districts about wanting to see those changes?

Do you think she's going to be hearing those calls now that it's been laid out by Chitarelli, especially in districts like Monmouth and Ocean where they've seen significant cuts?

What do you think she's going to face as she works with districts?

I think different districts have different needs and wants out of the school funding formula.

Districts that have been losing funding for S2, we want to see that restored.

But one thing I think almost every district, if not all of them, can agree on is that they want to have an aid from year to the next.

And that is something Sherrill has said she plans to do.

And it's something she would be able to do even in her first year by writing changes into the budget, which is what Governor Murphy did this past year.

One thing I can't help but think is that the Murphy administration maybe had the worst of it when it came to school funding because it was this eight year rollout of a level setting period.

Have we gotten to a point where there is a level set where there shouldn't be as many fluctuations anymore now that as to and the school funding reform act have really been fully enacted exactly now if there are changes it should be because there's changes in the local wealth of a community or changes in enrollment but there shouldn't be that gradual phasing in of s2 anymore all right let's switch gears again this week leaders from the black community the New Jersey statewide black agenda met to outline their priorities they say look we turned out voters in record numbers we helped get Mikie Sherrill into this position and so now it's time for her to consider what what it is that we're asking for I spoke with Reverend Dr.

Charles Boyer earlier this week let's take a look at what he had to say about what their top priorities are for the first hundred days of office.

Within the first 100 days, we're looking forward to them convening a bi-annual meeting with black leadership, the governor, lieutenant governor, and the cabinet to talk about ways to move policy issues forward.

Discussions in the state budget around restorative youth employment programs, housing for first-generation homebuyers, deeper investments in freedom schools, looking towards building on the affordable housing movement, particularly working with the black faith community and other faith communities to do that.

Convening really targeted, action-oriented work groups to move on economic and community development in cities like Trenton and Newark.

An introduction of black maternal health legislation to address the black maternal health crisis in the state.

And finally, within the first 100 days, convening a task force to look at and deal with and take action on the racial wealth gap.

Matt, one of the things that I heard from the Reverend is that they're asking for a rollback of punitive youth waiver bills, and they want to see a lot more restorative justice programs put in place.

I asked if that included penalties against people involved in carjackings.

We know that's been a big issue in New Jersey.

He said yes, he wants to see that rolled back.

Do you see this legislature being willing to roll back some of the things that they passed in the last year or two when it comes to that type of crime?

With the caveat that I have not asked specifically about this, no, because they just passed all these things.

They just, you know, they had their period maybe pre-pandemic where it was sort of rolling back stiffer penalties for crime.

Then there was a bit of a crime spike, you know, in the earlier years of the pandemic, which has reduced.

But between that, there was sort of, you know, the quote unquote law and order push in the legislature.

And I don't see them going back.

I don't see a legislature that's are all up in two years.

Look giving Republicans a chance to tag them any more than they already will as soft on crime.

It's just it doesn't seem like a realistic prospect to me.

But the caveat that I haven't talked to the leaders and given that it was such a Democratic law and given that 2023 despite fighting against that message was also a strong year for Democrats and legislature.

Maybe I'm wrong and the political calculus has changed, but I don't see it.

Yeah, and there are, listen, a number of priorities that were outlined there, and so it seems that they can probably check off some other boxes without touching that, like you said, that they just pushed through.

Brent, I know that you were at the League of Municipalities conference this week down in Atlantic City.

Governor Murphy spoke, pretty much a goodbye speech, even though we will hear an official one, but it was kind of his last farewell to the municipalities.

He laid out a pretty dire circumstance for New Jersey's state health benefits plan.

What did you hear there?

Yeah, this is one of the issues that maybe the public is not paying close attention to, but I know that the public workers definitely are.

This is a big issue in Trenton right now.

The fear is that the state health benefits plan is going to be utter chaos and collapse in the coming years if something is not done to fight back against it.

And Murphy is proposing using state funds to help save the program, but he's asking for buy-in from union members, the public workers themselves, saying they have to pay more for their health insurance.

I know unions aren't very happy about it, but Murphy's saying this is what needs to be done in his closing days, and this is something that will not happen easily in Trenton.

I don't even know if it spills into the Sherrill administration.

But it's not going to be an easy fight, but it's one that you'll probably hear more about in the coming days.

Why didn't we hear more about this from Sherrill or from Murphy before the election?

We heard Jack Ciatarelli talk about it plenty.

Why have Democrats been quiet until now, Brent?

Well, it's a touchy subject.

Yeah, you heard a lot, especially around the budget time.

Over the summer, this was something that Murphy and Coughlin and Scutari were working on, and trying to find some common ground on with lawmakers and unions.

And it was a tough issue.

You're definitely going to hear more about it now.

It's also kind of an esoteric issue.

If you're not a state worker, you might not understand the more broad theme of affordability was something you heard more during the campaigns.

So, you know, but this is not something they can ignore.

You're going to hear more about this.

>> Matt, go ahead.

Jump in there.

>> I also wonder if it's going to be -- I mean, putting maybe some pressure on the unions here is the fact that, like, if Obamacare subsidies are cut, if the rates do go up that much and other people are paying so much more for health insurance, there might not be as much of a political appetite to say, yeah, you know what, public workers, we really need to fix this just for you, and you'll still be paying way less than everybody else as they see their rates go.

I don't think that will be a helpful movement for the unions if what happens with the Medicaid funding, with the Obamacare subsidies that it goes through.

Yeah, and we haven't heard it quite in the way that Governor Murphy said it this week, which is like, we're in a death spiral, and this needs an immediate subsidy, or it's going down the drain.

My words, not his.

Hannah, we just have a little bit of time left.

I know desegregation, another priority for for leaders of the black community.

Sherrill said she's going to take that on.

Do you see her coupling that with any of her other school initiatives?

How realistic?

How quickly can she actually begin to integrate some of New Jersey's school districts, which are the most segregated in the nation?

Sherrill has talked a lot about school consolidation, really, as a cost saving measure.

But depending on how it's done, it also has the potential to be an integration measure.

She's talked about county based school districts that are regional or increasing magnet schools or vocational schools and opening those up to students from different backgrounds and different communities.

So that would be quickly, though, Hannah.

Does this happen quickly or is this a slow rollout?

I think it would have to be a pretty slow rollout.

I mean, you're not going to have kids changing where they go to school in the middle of the school year.

So earliest could be at the beginning of next school year, but these sorts of things take time, especially if students need to be bused from one school district to another.

That takes a long time and is very expensive for districts to figure out.

Yeah, transportation costs, we know, have been one of the biggest drivers for districts year over year as they're struggling to make those budgets work.

That is all the time we have for this week's Reporter's Roundtable.

Thanks so much to all of you, our terrific panel, for being with us today.

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